I Do Not Recommend Church of Fools
I do not recommend any longer the virtual church at the Church of Fools. I saw a person banned for Praising the Lord by their ‘so-called’ warden while he allowed a guy to make disruptive sex talk to the women and talking about his ‘parts’ and what he wanted to do with those ‘parts’ to the women in the chatroom that went on for at least fifteen minutes. I am now convinced that some (not all) of the wardens are not Christian and are promotng a biased anti-Christian agenda and being wolves in sheeps clothing. The Methodist Church of Great Britan should be ashamed of this disaster and their godless liberalism (one of their previous speakers is an editor of “The Feminist Theology Journal”) and for the downward spiral that has caused a decline in moral standards in their leaders and churches. This denomination needs to repent of their sins and turn their hearts back to God.
You go to a church to praise the Lord, not hear filthy talk and see a warden that did not address it but thought he did by kicking off the true worshipper in Spirit and in Truth. This concept of the virtual church is a marvel concept in and of itself. However, the blatant liberalism of the ‘warden’ or ‘wardens’ allowing people to talk very filthy for long periods of time and refusing people the right to praise Jesus has turned this into an experiment gone out of control.
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Could you just explain how you know that the person you saw leave was smited, as opposed to his computer crashing, his phone ringing or several other possible explanations? As far as I know there are no indicators whatsoever as to why someone leaves the Church. Did God give you a prophecy? Condemning an entire denomination on the basis of your inability to understand the technology seems a little rash. Incidentally, a lot of people here are waiting to see if you are going to post any of our comments :)
Mark:
First of all, I apologize for not responding sooner. I have been busy working 10-12 hour long shifts and repairing the computer of an 13 year old nephew who needs it for school which starts in two weeks.
When I met that person and saw him praising the Lord, I privately messaged to him (I believe the chat software called it ‘whispering’) and began short brief conversations. I discovered that this person lived approximately 90 miles from me and we talked while praising God and then we exchanged instant messenger ID’s.
We also connected on our instant messenger services and talked for a little while to verify that our communication was established and then turned our attention back to the churchchat.
He continued to sporadically praise God off and on until a disruptive poster showed up and started with filthy lewd sex talk in the public chat. This went on and on to the point where this person was harrassing the women with lewd comments about his desires for them where these women were ‘disappearing’ which I interpreted to mean that they instantly left (and I do not blame them if I went to a chatroom especially a Christian church chat room and within seconds receiving those lewd comments).
My new found friend came back on the IM and told me that he had privately messaged the warden about this and that people were leaving. Meanwhile, the lewd person started getting lewder and lewder and this went on for ten minutes until I saw my newfound friend disappear. He then IM’ed me and told me that he restated his complaint about the lewd person again to the warden and within seconds saw his connection closed with a messgae of ‘being smitted by the Warden’ with no previous ‘warnings’ from the warden.
We talked on the IM and I was viewing the chat and a woman publically complained about this guy. In a short period of time, the woman ‘vanished’ before I could type and privately message her. I decided to start praising the Lord and I made a comment to the warden about the lewd comments and minutes later while the lewd commenter continued in his lewdness…
I too got smitten. Two worshippers in Spirit and in truth smitten. It was very apparent that nothing was going to be done about this guy and that the Christians were going to be smitten
I’m afraid I’m still struggling to tie up your description with how Church of Fools work. There is no “pm” facility and no “public chat”. It is not currently possible for anyone other than a warden to address the whole room.
The text you see when you log in specifically rules out the sort of “lewdness” you are describing, and users are regularly smote for not respecting that rule. I’m not sure why it didn’t happen in your case – without dates, times and screen names it is hard for anyone to respond in detail.
Not sure why you got smote either. Again, it’s hard to respond without any details. Maybe it was a mistake, or maybe there was some other problem. One thought that springs to mind is that if you were spending extended periods on IM while in the Church, as you say, you may not have responded to whatever the warden said to you. In fact, you will get kicked automatically by the system after a while if you don’t do anything.
If you have a look at the
forum linked to Church of Fools, you will see lots of discussion about how and when people get smote. The consensus appears to be that the wardens are working hard to make the Church a place of worship, even if mistakes are made.
If, on the other hand, the policy was really as you keep suggesting, ie ‘kick out the Christians and encourage the sex talk’, do you really think there would be any Christians left by now, and wouldn’t you expect to see a whole lot more than one person making occasional lewd comments? And would Tony Campolo be preaching there next Sunday?
If you want a baseline for where things end up without moderation, log into just about any secular chat room some time.
When I went there, there was interaction between people in the chatroom and there was a ‘whispering’ feature that implied private chat between people. That have been changed now since there has been numerous changes since I last went there from the church being locked unless a warden is present, etc.
As far as Campolo, this guy is one of the most liberal, heretical, and apostate Christians I have ever read. His wife has assisted the homosexual activist group PFLAG in the very recent past. He ranks up there with the likes of Tetzel and Spong.
I have to agree with Mark here. If what you said re: Christians being kicked out on purpose were true, no Christians would come to the church anymore. If you visit the church again, you’ll see that this is far from being the case. I’m a Christian myself. I’ve been visiting the church for close to 3 months now, and I know that I’m always welcome there. Every time I visit the church, I meet countless other Christians. Believe me, they’re not being kept out, on the contrary.
Now, from what you said, you weren’t doing anything wrong when you were smited. From this, I can only assume that your being smited was a mistake. And if it was, then surely, as a Christian, you know that the thing to do is to forgive whoever smited you. Being smited once and giving up on the whole concept (not to mention discouraging other people from visiting) seems a little harsh, don’t you think? I too have been smited a few times, by mistake. It happens. I know the wardens are human, and that we all make mistakes. There is not one of us who’s never made a mistake. I know it can’t be easy for wardens to manage large crowds and listen to countless, intertwined conversations. Yes, sometimes, they might smite the wrong person. They’re doing the best they possibly can (and I’d say they’re doing pretty well), but they’re not perfect. Nobody is. Just so you know, I’m not a warden.
Personally, I haven’t given up on the church at all, and find it to be a very inspirational place which I consider truly sacred. I find it conducive to prayer and find that the Christian fellowship there is truly amazing.
From your last comment, you seem to suggest that you have visited the church again, since you mention changes that have been made. If you have, what is your opinion of the church now?
I do hope you’ll post this comment. And I also hope you’ll give the church another chance. In my opinion, what it has to offer is well worth the occasional accidental smite.
God bless.