Comments on: I Have A Problem, Therefore You Must Also Have The Same Problem http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/ blog of a Spirit-filled, post-political, Reforming Christian. Wed, 17 Mar 2010 16:29:29 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Neil http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7975 Neil Sat, 12 Aug 2006 22:38:28 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7975 The pro-lifers in my part of the country have this same mentality. If you don't picket with them, you're spiritually inferior to them. The pro-lifers in my part of the country have this same mentality. If you don’t picket with them, you’re spiritually inferior to them.

]]> By: Norma http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7974 Norma Sat, 12 Aug 2006 20:36:40 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7974 Another example is pacifism. Instead of desiring inner peace and making sure personal relationships are not combative, and converting others by example, modern day Christian pacifists set up lobbying groups in DC and march in the streets. Another example is pacifism. Instead of desiring inner peace and making sure personal relationships are not combative, and converting others by example, modern day Christian pacifists set up lobbying groups in DC and march in the streets.

]]> By: Single and Content http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7969 Single and Content Fri, 11 Aug 2006 18:04:56 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7969 This principle very much applies to today's Christian singles who are unhappy with their unmarried status. They are currently promoting the view that discontent due to singleness is acceptable (where does Scripture make such an exception to the call to contentment?)and attacking those of us who are content. In their attempt to sanctify their desire for marriage into a need, they are creating and focusing their faith on their ideology. The point made in the blog piece is so applicable to this issue. This principle very much applies to today’s Christian singles who are unhappy with their unmarried status. They are currently promoting the view that discontent due to singleness is acceptable (where does Scripture make such an exception to the call to contentment?)and attacking those of us who are content. In their attempt to sanctify their desire for marriage into a need, they are creating and focusing their faith on their ideology. The point made in the blog piece is so applicable to this issue.

]]> By: A Gracious Home » Everybody’s got problems and convictions. The question is… http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7966 A Gracious Home » Everybody’s got problems and convictions. The question is… Thu, 10 Aug 2006 00:56:15 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7966 [...] A few weeks ago JollyBlogger put up a “humorous” piece called Billy Sunday on Card Playing. He followed it up with a post called Totem to Temple: When Personal Ideology Becomes Moral Crusade in which he points the readers to a post at Totem to Temple called I Have a Problem, Therefore You Must Have the Same Problem. They are each worth reading and all relatively short. But the main point is that Christians are so prone to making a personal conviction over some problem into a measuring stick by which they measure others. The example used was the fact that Billy Sunday had a problem with alcohol so therefore everyone must have a problem with alcohol so therefore alcohol must be completely done away with. As Totem to Temple explains: We see a man very influenced by Charles Finney in his early walk with Christ but also the first of the fundamentalist preachers who turned a personal struggle into the fight that all must fight against to be considered ‘real Christians’. [...] [...] A few weeks ago JollyBlogger put up a “humorous” piece called Billy Sunday on Card Playing. He followed it up with a post called Totem to Temple: When Personal Ideology Becomes Moral Crusade in which he points the readers to a post at Totem to Temple called I Have a Problem, Therefore You Must Have the Same Problem. They are each worth reading and all relatively short. But the main point is that Christians are so prone to making a personal conviction over some problem into a measuring stick by which they measure others. The example used was the fact that Billy Sunday had a problem with alcohol so therefore everyone must have a problem with alcohol so therefore alcohol must be completely done away with. As Totem to Temple explains: We see a man very influenced by Charles Finney in his early walk with Christ but also the first of the fundamentalist preachers who turned a personal struggle into the fight that all must fight against to be considered ‘real Christians’. [...]

]]> By: pilgrim http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7957 pilgrim Sun, 06 Aug 2006 04:44:06 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7957 I have met some of these as well, and the problem is if you try to explain that to them, they don't listen. They can build big deals about it on a faulty foundation, and won't deal with the foundation of their argumentation, but from their false assumptions. It's like being asked--"Yes or No--have you stopped beating your wife?" I have met some of these as well, and the problem is if you try to explain that to them, they don’t listen.

They can build big deals about it on a faulty foundation, and won’t deal with the foundation of their argumentation, but from their false assumptions.

It’s like being asked–”Yes or No–have you stopped beating your wife?”

]]> By: admin http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7956 admin Sat, 05 Aug 2006 16:48:32 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7956 To the guys at the BHT: Thanks for the trackback/pingback. ####################################### I was thinking about this topic again a couple of days ago and I though about another instances in modern parachurchianity where this mentality existed. Christian men's conferences Typical Instance #1 ".... I admit, I have looked at pornography whether it's the hidden magazine under the seat of my twenty year old Honda Civic, gone online when the wife is out of town or borrowed the porno tape from the buddy at work. Can I hear an amen????? (silence is deafening) Come on now, fess up and admit it, you're a dirty rotten porno scumbag too. You love business trips because you buy Penthouse at the airport newsstands without the wife knowing about it. You love going to the strip bars calling it 'building business relations'. Fess up, be honest with yourself and admit that you are a porno freak like I used to be." You're a man, you have this problem whether you believe it or not. Instance #2 "... I'm white, and I am from the old Confederate south. Therefore, that automatically makes me a racist. Guess what? You're white and from the south, you know what that makes you???? Yeah, that's right. You're an automatic racist too.... Come down and repent and when you get home have a 'racial reconciliation service (and never see or do anything with the other race until next year's service) Instance #3 You work way too much (to pay off the big house that I must have to be considered 'anointed' and 'spiritual' in the success-driven megachurch). You never spend quality time with the wife. You never 'butterfly kiss' your six year old daughter. All you do is come home, eat fast, and retreat to your home office and do more paperwork. You're a deadbeat dad like I was before I gave up the corporate life..... To the guys at the BHT:

Thanks for the trackback/pingback.

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I was thinking about this topic again a couple of days ago and I though about another instances in modern parachurchianity where this mentality existed.

Christian men’s conferences

Typical Instance #1

“…. I admit, I have looked at pornography whether it’s the hidden magazine under the seat of my twenty year old Honda Civic, gone online when the wife is out of town or borrowed the porno tape from the buddy at work.

Can I hear an amen?????

(silence is deafening)

Come on now, fess up and admit it, you’re a dirty rotten porno scumbag too. You love business trips because you buy Penthouse at the airport newsstands without the wife knowing about it. You love going to the strip bars calling it ‘building business relations’. Fess up, be honest with yourself and admit that you are a porno freak like I used to be.”

You’re a man, you have this problem whether you believe it or not.

Instance #2

“… I’m white, and I am from the old Confederate south. Therefore, that automatically makes me a racist. Guess what? You’re white and from the south, you know what that makes you????

Yeah, that’s right. You’re an automatic racist too…. Come down and repent and when you get home have a ‘racial reconciliation service (and never see or do anything with the other race until next year’s service)

Instance #3

You work way too much (to pay off the big house that I must have to be considered ‘anointed’ and ’spiritual’ in the success-driven megachurch). You never spend quality time with the wife. You never ‘butterfly kiss’ your six year old daughter. All you do is come home, eat fast, and retreat to your home office and do more paperwork. You’re a deadbeat dad like I was before I gave up the corporate life…..

]]> By: The Boars Head Tavern » Blog Archive » I have a problem….and you better have it, too. http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7955 The Boars Head Tavern » Blog Archive » I have a problem….and you better have it, too. Sat, 05 Aug 2006 15:35:31 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7955 [...] Totem to Temple has a good insight on an issue all over evangelicalism: My problem must be your problem. [...] [...] Totem to Temple has a good insight on an issue all over evangelicalism: My problem must be your problem. [...]

]]> By: JOLLYBLOGGER http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7951 JOLLYBLOGGER Thu, 03 Aug 2006 14:52:10 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7951 <strong>Totem to Temple - When Personal Ideology Becomes Moral Crusade...</strong> Totem to Temple picked up on my Billy Sunday post and ran with it in a very helpful and insightful direction with a post titled I Have A Problem, Therefore You Must Also Have The Same Problem . It's really... Totem to Temple – When Personal Ideology Becomes Moral Crusade…

Totem to Temple picked up on my Billy Sunday post and ran with it in a very helpful and insightful direction with a post titled I Have A Problem, Therefore You Must Also Have The Same Problem . It’s really…

]]> By: moviestar_eyes http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/comment-page-1/#comment-7946 moviestar_eyes Tue, 01 Aug 2006 16:00:10 +0000 http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2006/07/23/i-have-a-problem-therefore-you-must-also-have-the-same-problem/#comment-7946 hmm. interesting post. I would like to read more. I definately see what your saying,however, and will probably read the post again, before I finish forming my thoughts on it. God bless. hmm. interesting post. I would like to read more. I definately see what your saying,however, and will probably read the post again, before I finish forming my thoughts on it.
God bless.

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