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Instead, what we see is these preachers go against the Bible they love to preach and interpret from and curse, call death upon, wish poverty, sickness, and hard times on those who disagree with them instead of praying for, blessing these people, and letting them go on their way and let God and time dictate whether their disagreements were of God or not. In fact, one famous televangelist recently responded to a newscast that exposed his opulent lifestyle and his refusal to answer questions about healings and orphanages in the first part of his rebuttal with the Acts 5 text previously mentioned but later on told “those Christians who participated” that ‘they will be sorry in the day of God’s judgment’ for exposing them and ‘lying’. No, they can not follow the Bible they love and preach from. Instead, they use it to intimidate people from questioning the preacher’s actions. Why are these preachers scared of an ‘expose’? Are they afraid that there is some truth to these exposes that if found out would bankrupt them? Why can’t these preachers apply Luke 6:38 and Acts 5:38-39 and just go forward and onward. No, they have to scare people to believing that God has a special judgment for those who do not like them because to their eyes, not liking them is the equivalent to not liking God.
Instead of letting God do his job and fulfill His promises to these intimidating televangelists like God wanted to sow a son to Sarah originally, these intimidators decide to rush the ‘judgment of God’ (if God really is judging those who disagree for really lying) like Abraham rushed the conception of a child and conceive the judgment and damnations like the way Hagar conceived Ishmael. Like the fleshly attempt of taking an Egyptian (worldly and fleshly) maiden and conceiving a child to fulfill a spiritual promise, the intimidating televangelists have sowed and conceived a fleshly theology in order to fulfill a spiritual promise to defeat their rightful enemies (and not the disagreeing who do expose truth). One day, the Scripture breathed and conceived by God will mistakenly be taunted by the imitating theology arising of the flesh and God will cast that intimidator and taunter and his fleshly intimidation and scare tactics out from His midst in order for the God inspired Scripture and Truth to be shown.
Even though I have shown how Luke 6:38 and Acts 5:38-39 are to be used to answer those who disagree and curse you. I want to show the fleshly relationship of the concept of ‘cursing those who disagree’ in relation to the similarities of Ishmael and to his descendent’s who compose of the majority of worshipers who embrace Islam. In the actions of the intimidating televangelist, the real motive is not to see God at work destroying His enemies, the real motive is to enact a fleshly revenge against those who disagree with his personal opinions made corporate theology. This revenge mentality is also prevalent throughout the facets of Islam. Where the Islamic people proclaim ‘Jihad (holy war)’ against those perceived as their enemies, these pastors who use these intimidation tactics and twisted scriptures and attempt to Christianize the concept of Jihad to justify wiping out the ones who disagree with them. Instead of being Biblical and follow Luke 6:38 and Acts 5: 38-39, they get in the flesh and war against those they disagree with or may possess truth that would hold up the spread of their selfish and personal ideologies. As Jihad is a required act within Islam per the Koran, the Christian televangelists who intimidate those who disagree with their ‘judgments’ have wrongly turned the Christian intimidation tactics via the twisting of Scriptures as the required mandate of the Bible when the Bible clearly tells us otherwise what to do.
Like the Islamic requirement of a Muslim to make war on the unbelievers (non-Muslims) until they either accept Islam or you kill them, these same televangelists who love to intimidate believe that it is their God given mandate to declare and fight war against other Christians who disagree until they either see things the televangelists way or the televangelists raise enough money to buy up tv and radio time to propagate their teachings to where other Christians with different opinions can not speak their words of truth. Or what is worse is when something bad (sickness, death, loss of a child, an accident, their house burned down, etc) does happen to a person who disagrees and the televangelist has the nerve to call it ‘the wrathful judgment of God’ or the ‘fulfillment of God’s prophecy’ and praise God and ‘ronda-konda-shonda’ thinking God loved them so much (and placing themselves on the equivalent level of God) that God destroyed and judged the disagreeing means that the intimidation tactics and viewpoints are God’s viewpoints..
Since I have discussed the spiritual principle of Acts 5:38-39 and Luke 6:38 and shown them as the way to handle those who disagree and have now related the conception of these intimidation tactics to the concept of a fleshly act in Ishmael, I want to show you what Islam has to say about what to do with those who disagree. In the Koran chapter 5 and verse 33, it is stated:
“Those that make war against Allah and his apostle and spread disorders in the land shall be put to death or crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the country.”
Here is what the intimidators called pastors have done ‘in the name of God’:
“Those that make war against an intimidating televangelist and his apostle and exposed the truth in the land shall be cursed, damned, riddled with Cancer, poor, in eternal poverty to the fourth generation, put to spiritual death, pronounced ‘heretic’ and / or have their voices be silenced through the use of lawsuits and collusion with other well known intimidating televangelists and / or be banished from Christianity and eventually Heaven.”.
Koran chapter 66 and verse 3 states:
“Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate”.
The pastors and televangelists who intimidate others with curses, etc. have done this ‘in the name of God’:
“(self-proclaimed) Prophet, make war on the disagreers, unbelievers, and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate”.
Therefore, they have not obeyed the Bible of Christianity. Instead, they have obeyed the holy book of the Koran of God’s enemy Islam.
Therefore, these scare tactics, twisted scriptures, curses for disagreeing with the Pastor’s personal and opinionated ideology come from the fleshly and manifest similar traits to the religion of Islam they detest. It was the late Ayatolah Komeni in Iran that deemed the term ‘great Satan’ to the mindset of Western Civilization because he saw it as a threat to Islam and used it to come against the United States. How many televangelists who use intimidation and scare tactics refer to those who disagree with them as ‘great Satans’ in order to ‘raise money’, ‘pronounce death and curses’, and ‘bring people into subjection’ to their teaching? Therefore, when many of these televangelists use these same tactics, they act like the dreaded Ayatolah’s in their pronouncements. How can these intimidators crucify their flesh and become more in line with the Scriptures and use them as examples instead of intimidation tactics? Very simple. By renouncing their wrong teachings as fleshly manifestations and embrace the Truth of the Scriptures where they bless those that curse them, pray for those that use them, and let go and let God bless their teaching if it is real or let their teaching die if it is false.
We even see it more clearly today. The ‘by any means necessary’ tactics of the Islamic factions have been matched to the Christian pragmatism of do whatever it takes, move out whoever needs to be moved. The celebration and keeping of the holidays the Islamic religion is known for has been matched by the messianic christians who insist that we must restore the Jewish holidays if God was to ever visit this planet again. Apostles became Ayatolahs issuing their own edicts and epistles on their self-gained authority. Mega Apostles became Grand Ayatolahs and claimed to oversee all other churches and Apostles turned Ayatolahs. Firm death threats and curses by televangelists against the disagreers became like Fatwas where pronunciation became a law that was to be obeyed. The actions and agenda of the religious right has become Sharia where legislation of politicians become like Majlis.
It’s scary. That’s why I want to see an Acts based Christianity instead of a Koranity.
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Great point. One thing that I have also noticed that both Islam and religious right / pragmatic Christianity is that they love to conquer, rape, and pillage but when it’s time for martyrdom, there is an innocent virgin waiting for them as their divine reward.
It’s the same old “grace for me, judgment for you” mentality which is all in the body of Christ.
Then there’s these attributes of Islam that I’ve encountered in some Churches that produce similar results:
1) Hyperliteralist reading of the Holy Books (Bible or Koran); there’s this term I’ve heard called “Verbal Plenary Inspiration” which (as far as I can understand it) claims that the Bible was dictated word-for-word by God and written down word-for-word, in a form of “inspiration” that sounds like automatic writing or channeling.
I think the Islamic idea of inspiration is similar, that Mohammed recited Allah word-for-word to create the Koran (“Recitation”).
2) Extreme Predestination, based on an extreme view of the Soverignity of God. Side effects include fatalism (“Why Bother? It’s All God’s Will”), passivity (ditto), non-causality (“God Willed my fist to come forward, then God Willed your nose to bleed and hurt; no connection whatsoever”), and lack of personal responsibility (“Not My Fault! God Willed It!”).
And the additional side effect of “Worm Theology”, where “in order for God to be of Supreme Importance, nothing — and nobody — can be of any importance whatsoever.” (The image of God this brings to mind is Lord Farquar from Shrek decreeing that everyone in his realm have their legs amputated so nobody can ever be taller than himself.)
3) Optimization for a single culture, including all the mores and taboos of that culture. The classic example are the New England Puritan missionaries to Hawaii (as fictionalized in James Michener’s Hawaii), trying to force the Polynesian Hawaiians into Victorian New England architecture and dress, totally unsuited for Hawaii’s tropical environment. (This has become a running joke about Christian missionaries, from The Simpsons to South Park.)
However, Islam originated among Arab tribesmen and is completely optimized for Arab tribesmen. Including the Arab tribal values of Blood Feud, Blood Revenge, Raid and Pillage, and Male Supremacy. Especially in the Wahabi/Salafi/Takfiri/Al-Qaeda brand of “pure” Islam, becoming Muslim means becoming an Arab tribesman in your psyche and accepting all the Arab Tribal values — the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.
4) Trying to go back to a “pure, uncorrupted” form of the faith, usually taking the time period of its founding as your example. In Christianity, this is called “founding a New Testament Church”. In Islam, this is called “Salafi”, i.e. “As It Was in the Days of the Prophet”. Never mind that present-day conditions may be different; instead of adapting to current reality in some externals while preserving the core of the faith, you preserve all the externals of the time of the founding with maximum rigidity.
Dear Sir,
The following issue can destroy ISLAM or ISRAEL; study it thoroughly to see if there is any truth to it.
READ THE FOLLOWING PASSAGES FROM THE BIBLE AS IT HAS IMPLICATIONS ON THE WAR AGAINST TERROR/ISLAM and the claim of Israel that god gave them the land. If the child is an infant than the Judeo-Christian version becomes null and void and we are wasting our time and resources i.e. we could save trillions of dollars and create a more peaceful world rather than fighting against Islam the religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad (peace be upon them all).
The COVENANT with Abraham and his DESCENDANTS is central to JUDAISM/CHRISTIANITY/ISLAM.
Please note this is not a competition between faiths but an attempt to decipher fact from fiction.
Genesis 21:14 Contemporary English version se below link
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=GENESIS%2021;&version=46;
Early the next morning Abraham gave Hagar an animal skin full of water and some bread. Then he put the boy on her shoulder and sent them away.
GENESIS 16:16
And Hagar bore Abram a son; and Abram called the name of his son, whom Hagar bore, Ish’mael. Abram was eighty-six years old when Hagar bore Ish’mael to Abram.
GENESIS 21:5
Abraham was a hundred years old when his son Isaac was born to him.
At Genesis 22 Abraham had only 2 sons others came later. The Quran mentions that it was Ishmael that was sacrificed hence the reference in genesis 22:2 your only son can only mean someone has substituted Ishmael names for Isaac!!
BY DOING SOME KINDERGARTEN ARITHMATIC USING ARABIC NUMBERS (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)
NOT ROMAN NUMERALS (I, II, III,IV,V,VI,VII,VIII,IX,X) NB no concept of zero in roman numerals.
100 years old – 86 years old = 14 ADD 3 YEARS FOR ISSAC’S WEANING
THAT WOULD MAKE ISHMAEL 17 YEARS OLD IN GENESIS 21:14-21
BUT IT IS A DESCRIPTION OF AN INFANT.
Carefully read several times the above passage and then tell me the mental picture you get between the mother child interactions what is the age of the child. If the mental picture is that of a 17 year old child being carried on the shoulder of his mother, being physically placed in the bush, crying like a baby, mother having to give him water to drink, than the Islamic viewpoint is null and void. Why is there no verbal communications between mother and (17 YEAR OLD) child?
GENESIS: 21:14 – 21
So Abraham rose early in the morning, and took bread and a skin of water, and gave it to Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, along with the (17 YEAR OLD) child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-Sheba. When the water in the skin was gone, she cast the (17 YEAR OLD) child under one of the bushes. Then she went, and sat down over against him a good way off, about the distance of a bowshot; for she said, “Let me not look upon the death of the (17 YEAR OLD) child.” And as she sat over against him, the (17 YEAR OLD) child lifted up his voice and wept. And God heard the voice of the (17 YEAR OLD) lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar from heaven, and said to her, “What troubles you, Hagar? Fear not; for God has heard the voice of the (17 YEAR OLD) lad where he is. Arise, lift up the (17 YEAR OLD) lad, and hold him fast with your hand; for I will make him a great nation.” Then God opened her eyes, and she saw a well of water; and she went, and filled the skin with water, and gave the (17 YEAR OLD) lad a drink. And God was with the (17 YEAR OLD) lad, and he grew up; he lived in the wilderness, and became an expert with the bow. He lived in the wilderness of Paran; and his mother took a wife for him from the land of Egypt.
The age of Ishmael at this stage is crucial to the Abrahamic faiths. If he is 17 than the JUDEO/CHRISTIAN point of view about the Abrahamic covenant is correct. This has devastating theological consequences of unimaginable proportions.
This makes the conflict between Ishmael and Isaac and there descendants a work of fiction. I would strongly suggest it is clear cut case of racial discrimination and nothing to do with god almighty. The scribes have deliberately tried to make Isaac the only son and legitimate heir to the throne of Abraham??
Please can you rationally explain this anomaly?
I have asked many persons including my nephews and nieces – unbiased minds with no religious backgrounds but with reasonable command of the English language about this passage and they all agree that the child in the passage is an infant.
AS THE DESCRIPTION OF ISHMAEL IN GENESIS 21:14-21 IS THAT OF AN INFANT IT CAN BE ASSUMED SOMEONE HAS MOVED THIS PASSAGE FROM AN EARLIER PART OF SCRIPTURE!!! AND HAVE GOT THERE KNICKERS IN A TWIST.
For background info on the future religion of mankind see the following websites:
http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/Muhammad_Bible.HTM
(MUHAMMAD IN THE BIBLE)
http://bible.islamicweb.com/
http://news.sky.com/skynews/video/videoplayer/0,,31200-galloway_060806,00.html
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7828123714384920696
(ISRAELI HOLOCAUST AND WAR CRIMES)
http://ifamericansknew.com/
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
(BIBLE, QURAN and SCIENCE)
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/ ANTI-WAR
http://www.harunyahya.com/
(EVOLUTION DECEIPT)
http://www.barnabas.net/
http://www.answering-christianity.com/ac.htm
http://www.islamicity.com/
http://www.islamonline.net/english/index.shtml
http://www.islamalways.com/
HOLY QURAN CHAPTER 37 verses 101 – 122
101. So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.
102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: “O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!” (The son) said: “O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!”
103. So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
104. We called out to him “O Abraham!
105. “Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!” – thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
106. For this was obviously a trial-
107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:
108. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:
109. “Peace and salutation to Abraham!”
110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
111. For he was one of our believing Servants.
112. And We gave him the good news of Isaac – a prophet,- one of the Righteous.
113. We blessed him and Isaac: but of their progeny are (some) that do right, and (some) that obviously do wrong, to their own souls.
114. Again (of old) We bestowed Our favour on Moses and Aaron,
115. And We delivered them and their people from (their) Great Calamity;
116. And We helped them, so they overcame (their troubles);
117. And We gave them the Book which helps to make things clear;
118. And We guided them to the Straight Way.
119. And We left (this blessing) for them among generations (to come) in later times:
120. “Peace and salutation to Moses and Aaron!”
121. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
122. For they were two of our believing Servants.
ISHMAEL IS THE FIRST BORN AND GOOD NEWS OF ISSAC DOES NOT APPEAR UNTIL AFTER THE SACRIFICE?????
Therefore the claim that god gave the land to Israel is destroyed without the need of any WMD’s.
HADITH
Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583:
Narrated Ibn Abbas:
The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka’ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael’s mother followed him saying, “O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?” She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, “Has Allah ordered you to do so?” He said, “Yes.” She said, “Then He will not neglect us,” and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka’ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:
‘O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.’ (14.37) Ishmael’s mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).
When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times.”
The Prophet said, “This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, ‘O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?” And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it.”
The Prophet added, “May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael’s mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth.” The Prophet further added, “Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, ‘Don’t be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.’ The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada’. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, ‘This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.’ They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water).” The Prophet added, “Ishmael’s mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, ‘Do you allow us to stay with you?” She replied, ‘Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.’ They agreed to that.” The Prophet further said, “Ishmael’s mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.