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	<description>blog of a Spirit-filled, post-political, Reforming Christian.</description>
	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 20:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Other Half of Fidelity by Rev Rafael D Martinez</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2009/01/01/the-other-half-of-fidelity/comment-page-1/#comment-9275</link>
		<dc:creator>Rev Rafael D Martinez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 06:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's been a few of my thoughts on the Bentley mess ..
FWIW ..

http://spiritwatchunchained.blogspot.com/2008/09/post-lakeland-outpouring-hand-wringing.html

http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/rick-joyner-on-todd-and-shonnah-bentleys-personal-problems/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s been a few of my thoughts on the Bentley mess ..<br />
FWIW ..</p>
<p><a href="http://spiritwatchunchained.blogspot.com/2008/09/post-lakeland-outpouring-hand-wringing.html" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/spiritwatchunchained.blogspot.com');">http://spiritwatchunchained.blogspot.com/2008/09/post-lakeland-outpouring-hand-wringing.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/rick-joyner-on-todd-and-shonnah-bentleys-personal-problems/" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com');">http://endtimespropheticwords.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/rick-joyner-on-todd-and-shonnah-bentleys-personal-problems/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on The Other Half of Fidelity by admin</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2009/01/01/the-other-half-of-fidelity/comment-page-1/#comment-9274</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Jan 2009 02:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter (blogmaster over at Gentle Wisdom):

On the 'alleged' MySpace page, there is a section for "Companies" which lists

Sound of Fire Produtions (for all of Todd's books, teaching material, and CD's- soundoffire.com)
          o Ladysmith, BC CA
          o President

Doing a "WHOIS search" on the domain name SOUNDOFFIRE.COM reveals the owner is a "steve stanczyk" out of abbotsford, BC Canada.

The "Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:" on the domain name SOUNDOFFIRE.COM is listed as being

      Sound of Fire Productions
      Darcia Bentley (ID00165442)
      Box 1163
      Ladysmith, BC V9G 1A8
      Canada

On the page

http://www.soundoffire.com/index.php?option=com_content&#38;task=view&#38;id=5&#38;Itemid=6

her picture is listed and in the paragraph about David Bentley, Darcia is listed as David's wife and Todd is listed as David's son.

The myspace page and the soundoffire.com site appears to be legitimate in reference to Todd Bentley.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter (blogmaster over at Gentle Wisdom):</p>
<p>On the &#8216;alleged&#8217; MySpace page, there is a section for &#8220;Companies&#8221; which lists</p>
<p>Sound of Fire Produtions (for all of Todd&#8217;s books, teaching material, and CD&#8217;s- soundoffire.com)<br />
          o Ladysmith, BC CA<br />
          o President</p>
<p>Doing a &#8220;WHOIS search&#8221; on the domain name SOUNDOFFIRE.COM reveals the owner is a &#8220;steve stanczyk&#8221; out of abbotsford, BC Canada.</p>
<p>The &#8220;Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Billing Contact:&#8221; on the domain name SOUNDOFFIRE.COM is listed as being</p>
<p>      Sound of Fire Productions<br />
      Darcia Bentley (ID00165442)<br />
      Box 1163<br />
      Ladysmith, BC V9G 1A8<br />
      Canada</p>
<p>On the page</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soundoffire.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=5&amp;Itemid=6" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.soundoffire.com');">http://www.soundoffire.com/index.php?option=com_content&amp;task=view&amp;id=5&amp;Itemid=6</a></p>
<p>her picture is listed and in the paragraph about David Bentley, Darcia is listed as David&#8217;s wife and Todd is listed as David&#8217;s son.</p>
<p>The myspace page and the soundoffire.com site appears to be legitimate in reference to Todd Bentley.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Christ of the week 12-20-08 by Shamwow Smith III</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2008/12/20/anti-christ-of-the-week-12-20-08/comment-page-1/#comment-9270</link>
		<dc:creator>Shamwow Smith III</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2009 02:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I  watched the freak Todd Bentley once on YouTube, and cannot - I say this from the depths of what is left of my heart and mind - understand how masses of people did not throw their popcorn at him and run for the exits. My God, he admitted, amidst the call for the faithful to shriek and foam their epiphanies, to having beat up his mother as an adult several years earlier. I would have told those peole to wipe the foam from their mouths, go outside and find needy people, and do what Christ commanded - listen to them and help them sincerely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  watched the freak Todd Bentley once on YouTube, and cannot - I say this from the depths of what is left of my heart and mind - understand how masses of people did not throw their popcorn at him and run for the exits. My God, he admitted, amidst the call for the faithful to shriek and foam their epiphanies, to having beat up his mother as an adult several years earlier. I would have told those peole to wipe the foam from their mouths, go outside and find needy people, and do what Christ commanded - listen to them and help them sincerely.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Other Half of Fidelity by Gentle Wisdom &#187; Todd Bentley the blogger?</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2009/01/01/the-other-half-of-fidelity/comment-page-1/#comment-9269</link>
		<dc:creator>Gentle Wisdom &#187; Todd Bentley the blogger?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 21:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] recently, largely because they are so often full of speculative nastiness. But my eye was caught by a post at Onward, Forward, Toward… because it linked to one of my posts. And there I found some interesting information which seems to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] recently, largely because they are so often full of speculative nastiness. But my eye was caught by a post at Onward, Forward, Toward… because it linked to one of my posts. And there I found some interesting information which seems to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Omission, Commission, Invention by Frequent Commenter Ken</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2008/12/30/omission-commission-invention/comment-page-1/#comment-9266</link>
		<dc:creator>Frequent Commenter Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 2008 17:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;In these general discussions, two types of sin were always talked about:

Sins of commission where a person commits an act which is sinful.

Sins of omission where a person is aware of a good or right act which he or she should do, but fails to do so.&lt;/i&gt;

In the &lt;i&gt;Confetitor&lt;/i&gt;, the formal Confession of Sin at the beginning of every Mass, we Catholics confess "doing what we should not, and not doing what we should". 

&lt;i&gt;Sins of Invention

I would like to define the term “Sins of Invention” as a concept where a person who doesn’t like a certain concept, music, clothes, new toy, new styles, etc. or who can not afford a certain material possession gets very ‘creative and imaginative’ by twisting scriptures to interpret those things as ’sinful’ and that ‘it will send you to hell’.&lt;/i&gt;

I would call this "Sins of Sour Grapes", i.e. "I Can't Have X, So I'll Make Sure Nobody Can!"

Somehow I think the Commandment "Thou Shalt Not Take The Name of the LORD Thy God In Vain" applies to this -- God saying "Don't drag Me into your little temper tantrum!  You do your own dirty work!" -- than it does the usual application of general cussing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In these general discussions, two types of sin were always talked about:</p>
<p>Sins of commission where a person commits an act which is sinful.</p>
<p>Sins of omission where a person is aware of a good or right act which he or she should do, but fails to do so.</i></p>
<p>In the <i>Confetitor</i>, the formal Confession of Sin at the beginning of every Mass, we Catholics confess &#8220;doing what we should not, and not doing what we should&#8221;. </p>
<p><i>Sins of Invention</p>
<p>I would like to define the term “Sins of Invention” as a concept where a person who doesn’t like a certain concept, music, clothes, new toy, new styles, etc. or who can not afford a certain material possession gets very ‘creative and imaginative’ by twisting scriptures to interpret those things as ’sinful’ and that ‘it will send you to hell’.</i></p>
<p>I would call this &#8220;Sins of Sour Grapes&#8221;, i.e. &#8220;I Can&#8217;t Have X, So I&#8217;ll Make Sure Nobody Can!&#8221;</p>
<p>Somehow I think the Commandment &#8220;Thou Shalt Not Take The Name of the LORD Thy God In Vain&#8221; applies to this &#8212; God saying &#8220;Don&#8217;t drag Me into your little temper tantrum!  You do your own dirty work!&#8221; &#8212; than it does the usual application of general cussing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Apology to The Baptists Part II by Frequent Commenter Ken</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2008/12/28/an-apology-to-the-baptists-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-9259</link>
		<dc:creator>Frequent Commenter Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;“You” people have missions but ‘we’ go to the voodoo tribes and see them all saved and delivered from witchcraft.&lt;/i&gt;

More like replacing their traditional tribal witchcraft with Pentecostal Elijah's List Name-it-and-Claim-it hexes-on-all-who-touch-God's-Anointed ronda-konda-shonda witchcraft...

Seriously, Internet Monk has stated several times (without going into detail) how American-style megachurch Christianity (and over-the-top Pentecostalism) is gaining in the Third World and doing damage there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“You” people have missions but ‘we’ go to the voodoo tribes and see them all saved and delivered from witchcraft.</i></p>
<p>More like replacing their traditional tribal witchcraft with Pentecostal Elijah&#8217;s List Name-it-and-Claim-it hexes-on-all-who-touch-God&#8217;s-Anointed ronda-konda-shonda witchcraft&#8230;</p>
<p>Seriously, Internet Monk has stated several times (without going into detail) how American-style megachurch Christianity (and over-the-top Pentecostalism) is gaining in the Third World and doing damage there.</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Apology to The Baptists by Frequent Commenter Ken</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2008/12/27/an-apology-to-the-baptists/comment-page-1/#comment-9258</link>
		<dc:creator>Frequent Commenter Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 19:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Heaven was not going to be like a public library atmosphere with boring stale preaching mixed with orchestra music, fundy trumpets, a well rehearsed choir, no drums, and a kiddie handbell choir.

OH NO

Heaven was going to be like a ole-fashioned sawdust tent-revival service with loud noises and hyper-emotionalism with a “Hallelujah Hoedown’ of Southern Gospel singing music with the country twang and men dressed in their like suits and women dressed in their like dresses made from the Simplicity patterns and materials sold in the cloth department at Wal-Mart and those Baptists better learn the words to ‘the blood songs’ (Nothing But The Blood, When I See The Blood, Are You Washed In The Blood, There’s Pow’r In The Blood…) because that’s all we’re singing in heaven, not “Just As I Am, How Great Thou Art, and At The Cross” while we’re running around the place. They better learn how to run also….&lt;/i&gt;

Neither of those Heavens are particularly attractive.  (In one of the Father Brown Mysteries, Chesterton wrote of "various Eastern heavens, rather worse than many Western Hells", and these two are in the running.)  I'll take Resurrection into a New Cosmos instead, plus romping and playing with all the critters in Aslan's Land (including all the critters of our imagination Resurrected into reality).

"The Ring melted down, the Dark Lord no more, the sun shining bright in the very heart of Mordor; and the cry echoes throughout Minas Tirith, from the Great Gates to the Tower of Echthelion:  'THE KING HAS RETURNED!'"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Heaven was not going to be like a public library atmosphere with boring stale preaching mixed with orchestra music, fundy trumpets, a well rehearsed choir, no drums, and a kiddie handbell choir.</p>
<p>OH NO</p>
<p>Heaven was going to be like a ole-fashioned sawdust tent-revival service with loud noises and hyper-emotionalism with a “Hallelujah Hoedown’ of Southern Gospel singing music with the country twang and men dressed in their like suits and women dressed in their like dresses made from the Simplicity patterns and materials sold in the cloth department at Wal-Mart and those Baptists better learn the words to ‘the blood songs’ (Nothing But The Blood, When I See The Blood, Are You Washed In The Blood, There’s Pow’r In The Blood…) because that’s all we’re singing in heaven, not “Just As I Am, How Great Thou Art, and At The Cross” while we’re running around the place. They better learn how to run also….</i></p>
<p>Neither of those Heavens are particularly attractive.  (In one of the Father Brown Mysteries, Chesterton wrote of &#8220;various Eastern heavens, rather worse than many Western Hells&#8221;, and these two are in the running.)  I&#8217;ll take Resurrection into a New Cosmos instead, plus romping and playing with all the critters in Aslan&#8217;s Land (including all the critters of our imagination Resurrected into reality).</p>
<p>&#8220;The Ring melted down, the Dark Lord no more, the sun shining bright in the very heart of Mordor; and the cry echoes throughout Minas Tirith, from the Great Gates to the Tower of Echthelion:  &#8216;THE KING HAS RETURNED!&#8217;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Apology to The Baptists Part II by Diane R.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 18:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, as someone who grew up in liberal Protestantism, I have to say that there was (and still basically is) a huge difference between the Baptists and the liberal Protestants of your childhood.  One preached the gospel (well, most Baptist churches did) and the other did not. However, as far as the social gospel goes, perhaps today we can actually get these two together without compromising the gospel.  The two I am referring to is the gospel of substitutionary atonement preached with clarity plus helping others with material needs and bringing social justice to groups.

But following seeker-sensitive and/or emergent is definitely not the way to go.  So what is the way to go?  Think Tim Keller with the healthy parts of Pentecostalism thrown in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, as someone who grew up in liberal Protestantism, I have to say that there was (and still basically is) a huge difference between the Baptists and the liberal Protestants of your childhood.  One preached the gospel (well, most Baptist churches did) and the other did not. However, as far as the social gospel goes, perhaps today we can actually get these two together without compromising the gospel.  The two I am referring to is the gospel of substitutionary atonement preached with clarity plus helping others with material needs and bringing social justice to groups.</p>
<p>But following seeker-sensitive and/or emergent is definitely not the way to go.  So what is the way to go?  Think Tim Keller with the healthy parts of Pentecostalism thrown in.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Surviving The Story And The Shock Value by An Apology to The Baptists Part II &#124; Onward, Forward, Toward...</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Apology to The Baptists Part II &#124; Onward, Forward, Toward...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] chrome valve covers, and the nice and shiny Cragar wheels (wasn&#8217;t he supposed to have died by wrapping the car around the oak tree when he laughed at the youth evangelist at the annual youth [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] chrome valve covers, and the nice and shiny Cragar wheels (wasn&#8217;t he supposed to have died by wrapping the car around the oak tree when he laughed at the youth evangelist at the annual youth [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on An Apology to The Baptists by An Apology to The Baptists Part II &#124; Onward, Forward, Toward...</title>
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		<dc:creator>An Apology to The Baptists Part II &#124; Onward, Forward, Toward...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 17:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was going to write just a couple of paragraphs about my further thoughts hours after writing part one as a comment to the original article. However, the couple of paragraphs turned into another post [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was going to write just a couple of paragraphs about my further thoughts hours after writing part one as a comment to the original article. However, the couple of paragraphs turned into another post [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Anti-Christ of the week 12-20-08 by Susan</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2008/12/20/anti-christ-of-the-week-12-20-08/comment-page-1/#comment-9249</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Lakeland Revival was never of God because it included the Straders’s and anybody who had wisdom, brains or discernment would have seen this!

Stephen Strader is as much as a liar, thief and deceiver as Todd Bentley! Stephen and Karl Strader who are real thieves have proclaimed for years that Dan Strader is innocent and he was framed. See Not Innocent” http://www.a2zbookdepot.com/xxcrxxoxxoks.pdf. And this is an obvious lie and if the Straders are provenly deceived about Dan, they are deceived about everything else.

If Pastor Stephen Strader or John Arnott or Che Ahe or Bill Johnson were true men of God operating in the gifts of the Spirit they would have seen that Todd Bentley was a false prophet from day one. Before the Lakeland revival I saw and heard Todd Bentley make many false prophecies which showed me he was a deceiver and a false prophet! So obviously none of the leaders who crowned Todd Bentley in June are or were true men of God but deceived duped ones who were deceiving others.

And John Arnott lied on his web site that Todd Bentley was being counseled and was submitting to counsel etc. when the truth was that Todd told them to get lost!

So the bottom line is everybody at the revival was and is a charlatan! All those who supported Todd Bentley in anyway need to repent for many things including that they have no wisdom or discernment and are the blind leading the blind!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Lakeland Revival was never of God because it included the Straders’s and anybody who had wisdom, brains or discernment would have seen this!</p>
<p>Stephen Strader is as much as a liar, thief and deceiver as Todd Bentley! Stephen and Karl Strader who are real thieves have proclaimed for years that Dan Strader is innocent and he was framed. See Not Innocent” <a href="http://www.a2zbookdepot.com/xxcrxxoxxoks.pdf" rel="nofollow" onclick="javascript:urchinTracker ('/outbound/comment/www.a2zbookdepot.com');">http://www.a2zbookdepot.com/xxcrxxoxxoks.pdf</a>. And this is an obvious lie and if the Straders are provenly deceived about Dan, they are deceived about everything else.</p>
<p>If Pastor Stephen Strader or John Arnott or Che Ahe or Bill Johnson were true men of God operating in the gifts of the Spirit they would have seen that Todd Bentley was a false prophet from day one. Before the Lakeland revival I saw and heard Todd Bentley make many false prophecies which showed me he was a deceiver and a false prophet! So obviously none of the leaders who crowned Todd Bentley in June are or were true men of God but deceived duped ones who were deceiving others.</p>
<p>And John Arnott lied on his web site that Todd Bentley was being counseled and was submitting to counsel etc. when the truth was that Todd told them to get lost!</p>
<p>So the bottom line is everybody at the revival was and is a charlatan! All those who supported Todd Bentley in anyway need to repent for many things including that they have no wisdom or discernment and are the blind leading the blind!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Public Fame, Private Blame by Frequent Commenter Ken</title>
		<link>http://availablelightonline.com/blog/2008/12/20/public-fame-private-blame/comment-page-1/#comment-9248</link>
		<dc:creator>Frequent Commenter Ken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn't that what they call "smelling out the witch" in Africa?  AKA what's usually called "Rank Superstition" and/or "Magick" with a "k"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that what they call &#8220;smelling out the witch&#8221; in Africa?  AKA what&#8217;s usually called &#8220;Rank Superstition&#8221; and/or &#8220;Magick&#8221; with a &#8220;k&#8221;?</p>
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