I guess that is what is being stated in the latest video to come across Charismania. Chrystal of the Slaughter of the Sheep Blog has documented here and also here the contents of a recent video where Bob Jones (not the Bob Jones of the independent fundamentalist Baptist fame) spoke to the congregation at Rick Joyner’s church and literally stated:

I want you to break curses. I want you to break a curse off of Todd Bentley. Because well-meaning christians have put a curse on him, and that’s leaving an opening for him to be assassinated. Also, that curse is on everyone that protects him. In other words, MorningStar has been bombarded by this same disgruntled-Christian curse, not knowing what they’re doing. Take the curse off that. This building’s been…a curse put on it…take that off.”

So according to this guy, anyone who speaks out in truth against the antics of Joyner, Bentley, and Jones and also spoken out in the name of apologetics and protecting the flock are guilty in the eyes of God of ‘placing curses’ on them?

That is what it sounds like…. And it also sounds like it could be taken to the lowest common denominator that it wasn’t Todd’s fault for his adultery, it was the fault of other Christians who spoke out and disagreeed…. Come on. Who are you kidding.

When Charismatic-crapola like speaking against them is cursing them is taught, all these people are doing is being “CC” (charismatically correct) and their mindset of making believers believe that speaking against them is cursing them is actually the “CC” term for simply telling their disagreers to “Shut up”.

Since they are always feeling like they are the only true ones getting all of these attacks and curses, I want to reverse the thought processes here and ask a question here…

When people like Bentley, Joyner, Jones, and others love to call those who disagree with them through the use of proper Christian Biblical doctrine “pharisees”, “full of religious spirits”, “religious devils”, “agent of Satan”, “spiritual Judas”, “Saducess”, “rebellious”, etc. and claim that this is in reality “Cursing them”; Are these same people actually doing the exact same thing (cursing) they accuse those they disagree with them of doing? (cursing)

If their logic is properly applied to both sides, then they too, are “cursing” and are guilty as such. Christians who are ‘cursed’ by people such as Bentley, Jones, and Joyner should not only rebuke those curse applied back but should follow the Biblical command found in Matthew 5:43-45 which states :

You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.

Tag, you’re it…… I’ve tagged you, now you’re it. And that is exactly what is being done here. It becomes like the schoolyard fight that gets broken up and the person who throws the last punch that hits is declared the winner. Or the person who sees an argument in a Christian forum and is the last one to respond means their opinion is God’s official opinion on the matter.

But this really shows the ‘level of justice’ within the charismatic movement. Big name celebrities are always ‘attacked’ by name-calling, tragedy, disagreements, and personal moral failure but the ‘little guys’ and ‘enemies’ are always blamed for their own personal tragedies and personal moral failures as committing either ’secret sin’ or ‘touching God’s anointing’ (aka disagreeing), or “lacking faith”. In reality, the average charismatic seen as ’small’ in their eyes is treated by the ‘bigwigs’ in a similar manner as their ‘enemies’……

Look at their mindsets here… It seems they never get anything done because to them; there is always another curse to break, another “repent-a-thon” to have, another mega revival to have, and another 2 Chronicles 7:14 prayer rally to attend in order to ‘break’ these ‘negative forces’ and it seems to me that there are just ‘too many’ of these ‘negative forces’ to the point where it would be way too time consuming and their agendas and goals would never be accomplished in their own lifetimes. Therefore, these people have to get ‘charismatically creative’ in order to twist the Scriptures to make them line up with their own global agendas.

With all the so called ‘repentance’ and spiritual warfare that has taken place and is currently going on, would you think that by now they should have already succeeded in obtaining ‘their next level’?

It is very clear to me that by now, not repenting hard enough, not praying and fasting long enough, not confessing enough sin, and not giving enough money are not the main reasons as to why their fantasies of utopia have not come to pass and their attempts have outright failed. The main reason why is because God is so sovereign, provident, and all-powerful to the point where HE will not allow any person or organization to both profane His holy name and to take credit or claim that it was by their mights, theories, and force that their utopia has come into existence.

The only thing that needs to be broken are not the ‘imagined’ curses on Todd Bentley that is actually the truthful spoken words of the Scriptures, but the chains that allow the charismatics to bind people up into a state of Christianized co-dependency to where they are without function without their influences speaking to them.

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Curse Tag

But after looking at the YouTube video that I discussed in my article entitled “An Encounter With A False Apostle” (I forgot to thank pjmiller for posting on her blog about the video), I went and searched YouTube some more and found these goodies

SHELLY SPEAKS WITH “PASTOR” JOHN ABOUT HIS SERMON LAST SUNDAY

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Lessons in Churchianity – Barry is Looking for Fellowship

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Lessons in Churchianity – Barry Meets a “Pastor”

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Wait, There Is More

Entitled: “DEREK MEETS A FALSE APOSTLE WHILE HE’S OUT”

Hilarious but truthful at the same time. I used to know people like the man in the suit that used to walk and talk with the same mannerisms as they were some “mega anointed” prophet and God’s gift to the Christian world.

God help us

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An Encounter With A False Apostle

This thought came to me when I received a link to a Wikipedia page of a man by the named of Frank Weston Sandford who lived primarily in Main and was in ministry for the first half of the twentieth century.

As I read the Wikipedia entry, I was shocked to see most of the stuff that was documented as being done by Sandford in the name of Christianity. Was I shocked at the actual acts? No, I was more shocked by the fact that the acts Sandford did “in the name of God” are some of the same acts many of these third-wave, revival junkie teachers convince us as being “new thing”, “Fresh revelation”, “cutting edge”, or “the key to power and anointing”.

Here are (per the Wikipedia article) many of the things Sandford did a century ago that we are now seeing again:

(1): Members of his group come to live at or near the headquarters “by faith” instead of having gainful employment.

(2); Hyper-emphasis on “holiness” to the point of believing in a “sinless perfection” similar and traceable to the teachings of Keswick, Wesley, and Finney.

(3): The leaders are known outside as being a authority figure who harps and develops entire theologies on issues such as authority, rebellion, loyality, and submission.

(4): Believed that every one else was stagnant, boring, and lukewarm in their Christianity when compared to himself.

(5): Performed a unusual act of faith that appeared to be impossible to experience “results”

(6): Formed a Bible School to teach his doctrines

(7): Built a building for this outreach that had a “warfare prayer room” at the top

(8): Became obsessed with spiritual warfare and demon possession, remnant purging, sickness was always due to sin…

(9): The day was not divided into disciplined times because schedules were “ruts”, “paradigms” and “flesh”

(10): Self-compared himself to a major anointed Biblical character and descendants to other Bible characters with equal anointing

(11): Fundraising letters

(12): Became obsessed with the Jewish feasts, Israel, claiming Israel for Jesus, and ordered everyone to fast on Maundy Thursday because that was the real day Jesus died

(13): Real big on mega-fasts, and spiritual warfare missions from the outside of the mission target.

(14): Viewed disagreers as ‘touching the anointed’ and possessing “religious spirits’

From the Wikipedia article

Sandford returned to Maine to find his community at what he considered a low spiritual ebb and with many members ill, most fearfully with smallpox. Sandford prescribed a regimen of severe whippings and fastings for children who misbehaved. Peers were encouraged to closely examine each other’s lives for sin. In January 1903, Sandford instituted a “Ninevah Fast” forbidding all food or liquid for thirty-six hours even for infants, animals, and the sick. During that period fourteen-year-old Leander Bartlett, who had confessed to the most serious sin of planning to run away from Shiloh, died of diphtheria. When Sandford’s own six-year-old son, John, disobeyed him, Sandford ordered him to fast without food or water until he declared himself glad to be whipped

Shirley Nelson, Fair Clear and Terrible: The Story of Shiloh, Maine (Latham, New York: British American Publishing, 1989), The “Ninevah Fast” was a reference to Jonah 3.7.

Heavy emphasis on fasts, naming fasts after a Bible event to justify actions, and aberrant means of discipling children in the name of ‘defeating the flesh’.

However, what was even more interesting was that when legal troubles began, Sandford purchased a yacht (brought forth by a 40 day pray-a-thon – see the “thon / distance” pattern and the “40″ significance) and began trips to Jerusalem and later on after his legal troubles were over…

…circumnavigated the globe on what he described as a missionary journey. It was an unconventional missionary enterprise. No one went ashore to preach the Gospel or even distribute religious literature. Sandford intended to “subdue the world for Christ” by intercessory prayer, claiming nations and isles for Christ by sounding brass instruments as they passed by.

Shirley Nelson, Fair Clear and Terrible: The Story of Shiloh, Maine (Latham, New York: British American Publishing, 1989),

Where have we seen this type of missions recently? Oh yes, spiritual mapping, and fasts to break “territorial spirits”. Today, instead of playing brass instruments of trumpets to bring down Jericho, we blow shofars….

If you read the rest of the article, you see similar patterns of blaming others “spiritual weaknesses” for tragedies and shortcomings. You will see a common tactic of running from the law to do the Lord’s work thinking the Lord’s work superceeds a law. You will see a pattern of when in prison, followers writing every word to re-communicate to the other followers. You will also see a pattern of leaders having nice possessions and good meals while the followers lived in poverty and were starving to be a member of the elite remnant.

Sandford eventually fled Maine after everything collapsed to the “burned out district of upstate New York” (see the pattern of Finney here) where he lived the rest of his life. It was there that his death and funeral was a secret to the point where his death was revealed six weeks after he died.

But these things are very critical to be observed because the founding fathers of the modern pentecostal movement were deeply influenced by Sandford and many of these patterns and traits are at work in many of the pentecostal and charismatic churches today.

From Wesley / Keswick / Finney – to Sandford – to Parham and Tomlinson and Azusa Street – to latter rain – to charismatic / word of faith – to Toronto / Brownsville / Smithton – to IHOP, Bob Jones, and the Elijah List Prophets – to now the ugliness of the Lakeland Revival…

Hyper Holiness, impossible perfectionalism, and ungodly spiritual warfare techniques and over-emphaisis on submission and authority seems to be passed on from generation to generation and “move” to “move”. The stuff done years ago suddenly appear as the “new thing”. The same methods that have failed are re-proclaimed as the ‘divine revelation’ to “reclaim” a depraved world. The stuff documented as failed suddenly become the tactics of the latest Christian booksellers, conventions, fast-a-thons, and warfare rallies. What goes around comes around and history is repeating itself all over again.

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Nothing New Under The Sun

Kim Clement recently published another one of his ‘words’ that came forth in Oklahoma City in late January, 2009.

The Oklahoma City area was ravaged with tornadoes earlier this week.

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John Crowder and his crew recently went over in late January to Indonesia and did his gold dust thing.

Indonesia was ravaged by a major earthquake earlier this week and was also on high alert for a tsunami

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The first time Paul Cain ever met John Wimber in Anaheim, California, an earthquake occurred when Paul Cain arrived in Anaheim and occurred when Paul Cain left Anaheim.

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I find it interesting that after all these ‘false prophets’ show up and do their ‘miracles’ and ‘brag’ about them, natural disasters come forth. Why did these horrible weather phenomenons happen? Was it because…

(1): Satan did it because he ‘feared the anointing’ of these men.

or was it because

(2): God was so angry at the gross sins and mockery of His name that God sent his judgment down

or is it really ‘just a coincidence?

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Why Did The Storms Happen?

The video is part seven of eight of a worship service in Bulgaria with Winnie and Georgian Banov

As I saw this particular video, two satirical thoughts came into my mind…

(1): I did not know that Lenny and Squiggy from the Laverne and Shirley show were saved and did praise and worship.

or

(2): I did not know that The Two Wild and Crazy Czech Dudes were saved and did praise and worship.

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A Good Quote For This Video

I had a very hard time watching this video after the first three minutes but it needed to be watched for apologetics reasons.

However, I was alerted to this video:

That sums up what is wrong with movements like the third wave and NAR.

Selective and improper interpretation of the Bible.

So, I will rename this video (like everyone else who has posted this video):

Blogs Like Onward, Forward, Toward… Are Just Troublemakers in the Body!!!

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Two Polar Opposite Videos

Culture

One of the many definitions of culture as defined by Webster’s Dictionary is:

the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group ; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time

As I thought about that definition more and more and thought about how the religious right and the liberal left want to redefine the term, a very interesting observation came to me:

The same culture that “Americanity” (American Christianity) obsesses with in terms of being “relevant” to is the same culture that “Americanity” is spending millions of dollars “warring against” to expose and eliminate “moral depravity” within that culture. (along with eliminating anyone else who doesn’t ‘agree’ with their ‘official leaders’ who self-appointed themselves to those positions to begin with)

At the same time, “Americanity” is spending (in addition to monies spent to fight the culture war) millions of dollars trying to create ‘cheezy Christian alternatives’ to become ‘countercultural’, ‘theocratic’, and ‘domionalistic’ in order to one day ‘evolve’ into the new ‘official Christian definition’ of ‘culture’ that will be dominant practice in America and eventually the world.

We went from living in the world of ‘us and them’ to ‘us versus them’ to ‘them versus us’.

Just go into a Christian book store and see the Christian alternatives being marketed. From ‘Christian music’ with certain artists deemed as “Christian (insert rock singer here)” to books by “Official Christian Moralist”, “Official Christian Chef”, “Official Christian Global Conspiracy Y2.009K Philosopher”, “Official Christian Mom”, “Official Christian Grief Recoverist” “Official Christian Nutritionalist”, “Official Christian Child Psychologist / toiler trainer” to ‘Official Christian Painter of Light’ and ‘Official Christian Toys and Cartoons’ (I Wonder if Bob the Tomato and Larry the Cucumber are saved??? LOL! and being snarky and sarcastic at the same time) .

Just listen to Christian radio preaching ‘right wing’ politics from the ‘left end’ of the dial deeming the change from ministry to ‘information and analysis features’ telling you your ‘official Christian Perspective / worldview’ and our ‘official Christian truthful news source’.

Just go online to many of the ‘Christian Internet Portals’ and get the ‘latest’ news, latest artists and latest book reviews. See the ads from Christian vitamins to increase your metabolism, Christian cruises, Christian jewerly, to Christian stockbrokers who promise not to invest in companies that advertise on controversial prime time television shows (what ever happened to that ‘Christian long-distance’ company that promised not to trunk your telephone communications over a giant telecom’s network because they had same-sex domestic partner benefits… and by talking on a ’straght’ telephone fiber optic, the light will shine, we feel some tingles, and America will be saved…….?).

Just look at a Christian youth group targeted for relevance to reach their peers and how many of the are either home-schooled or go to Christian private school? The vast majority.

All with the implication and fear (not Godly fear) basis of:

If you read our books, listen to our music, vote for our candidates, homeschool your kids, listen to our ‘unbiased news’ (equal bias from an ‘opposite extreme’ while making a biased statement about being unbiased), follow our diet plan, ‘court’ instead of ‘date’, buy our Jesus Junk, have six kids to vote Republican twenty years from now, buy ‘testamints’ at the ‘Christian bookstore’, and watch only our television networks, you will be healthy, wealthy, wise, your kids will do well in school, you will not miss the rapture, prayer will be back in the public schools (and a voucher will be available for you to send your Christian kid to Christian schools), abortion and the lotto will be outlawed, terrorism will be defeated, political correctiveness will be eliminated, no more social security and welfare, homosexuality will be completely extinct, taxes will go down on families (but go way up on Singles because the church views singles as ‘cursed’), the secular humanists (sheck-you-lurr u-men-nists) will no longer teach college and have their PhD’s revoked, the democrats will be imprisioned and persecuted, and God can finally come back to America and be sovereign and provident again, etc. to help establish the kingdom James Dobson, Pat Robertson, D. James Kennedy, Donald Wildmon, Jerry Falwell, and R.J. Rushdoony dreamed of.

We’ll be perfect because only perfect people can be president, a U.S. Supreme Court Justice, or a ‘real Christian’.

or

If you don’t read our books, don’t listen to our music, don’t vote for our candidates, don’t homeschool your kids, don’t listen to our ‘unbiased news’ (equal bias from an ‘opposite extreme’ while making a biased statement about being unbiased), don’t follow our diet plan, don’t buy our Jesus Junk, and don’t watch only our television networks, you will be poor and sick, your sons will smoke pot, your daughters will get pregnant or die from a botched abortion, or will end up in prison, you will miss the rapture, Islam and Evolution will dominate the public schools, people will not get married, you will lose your salvation, abortion will run more rampant, the democrats, minorities, illegial immigrants, and gays will run rampant, etc. and God will leave us and hate your soul.

If God did leave us, then why do we still go to church on Sundays and proclaim that God is in our presence (like God found the secret unlocked door that was unguarded and ’snuck in’ to ‘quickly bless us’ before being discovered and having to escape to be free)? Time Magazine may have said that ‘God is Dead’ but I can feel everyday the sovereignty and providence of God everyday

Since we voted for “God’s Candidate”, then why do we see high unemployment, tragedy and natural disaster as ‘excuses’ to raise the prices of food and gas, terrorism still rampant, increased hysteria and paranoia, and an attitude that your unemployment, poverty, terminal illness is due to secret sin, lacking faith, voting democrat, not giving a televangelist money, failing to stand with a sign at the annual pro-life rally on the first Sunday in October and/or disagreeing theologically with your pastor? In fact, complain about “God’s Candidate” and see how many Christians bring up the Aaron and Mirian / Moses’ Ethopian woman scriptures and the ‘constant manna’ and ‘touch not mine anointed’….?

Where is Osama Bin Laden? Nobody has answered the question that started the war on terror…..

If we are God’s Children, then why do we constantly look for ‘loopholes’ in laws we do not like in order to ‘attempt to escape the feeling of guilt and remorse that you are supposed to feel when you have done something wrong, illegial, or immoral’ and when we find the loophole, praise God for giving us ‘divine revelation’ to circumvent the law that we are supposed to obey per the Scripture?

How come when it’s Nielsen ratings time, one Christian television network encourages it’s viewers to leave the TV on their network 24/7 to affect the ratings using the threat of if Nielsen determines no one watches Christian TV, then Christian TV will be eliminated permanently and we will be further persecuted….

When the secular media services does a better job of exposing the shallowness of evangelical Christianity (the “Saved” movie and the ABC exposes of Robert Tilton, W.V. Grant, Larry Lea, and recently Todd Bentley) we cray ‘foul’ and demand a boycott and tell Christians to watch Christian TV instead.

Why are we always trying to ‘go back’ to a ‘time of innocence’ or go back to ’some enforced legalism’ when in those times of innocence and enforced legalism, the same sins were occurring but on a smaller scale thinking that by going back to the ‘time of innocence’ or ‘reinforcing the legalism’, the sins will be eliminated because ‘en mye day sunny, we never saw dem teenage pregnancies’ [but the girl was sent to a relative in the 'big city' to 'straighten her out' (aka, teenage pregnancies were more 'normalized' in that society but shamed and shunned ostracized in Southern Christian America)]

There will always be a war. The Bible tells us so. If it wasn’t so, would we need Ephesians 6 in the Bible? There will always be persecution on the church. The book of Acts clearly tells us this. We can live a New Covenant lifestyle by the empowerment of the Holy Spirit and not by modernizing and re-legalizing some Old Testament Ritual made into a Third Wave prophecy and numerology scheme.

The war on drugs, prostitution, out of wedlock pregnancies, homosexuality, terrorism, racism, and other unmentioned depravities and social ills will always be with us and in many ways in greater force in the days to come. The church in Acts realized this and the church was built and grew on individual holiness and repentance. They relied on miracles to exist and not some buddy who could bribe a favor from a politician. They met in small groups in order to not get further persecuted and not because that was the ‘only gateway to personal ministry within the corporate church’. They sung quietly with no music to not get further persecuted and not because instruments were ungodly or a 2-4 beat was the devil’s beat.

Paul was a tentmaker who became a Christian, not a maker of Christian tents with a cross sewed on the material in order to charge double the price claiming blessings if you purchased his tent or curses if you purchased one from the competitor. We have forgotten how to be in the world and not of the world because we believe that to be in the world, we have to create a world to control and be of in order to feel safe, secure, and loved by God. Why can’t we teach people how to live in the world and be able to overcome temptations and persecutions? No, we either fight to eliminate the temptation and persecution or we just get by hoping we are raptured or we hope that we die and let the next generation deal with the problem.

The Bible tell us to flee temptation, not eliminate it. Fleeing is not eliminating. Fleeing is overcoming. New Testament Christianity was never designed to war to eliminate to reconstruct the earth. New Testament Christianity was designed to overcome the enemy to be the church and to rebuild the heart. We never saw New Testament Christians promoting voting guides telling us to vote against Caesar? We never saw New Testament Christians push clothes made by the official Christian seamstress dyed in Lydia’s ‘official Christian purple dye’ promising us favor. We never saw New Testament Christians consult their ‘official Christian lawyer’ on how to find a loophole in order to proselytize their co-workers and not get fired, persecuted, and killed and then sue with the Christian rights lawyers taking the case on contingency. We never saw New Testament Christians stand outside of a building where infanticide occurred with their two year old kids holding signs saying ‘abortion is murder’. We never saw New Testament Christians place property stakes around the government buildings calling it ‘God’s building’

We saw people who lived life according to the Bible. We saw people who sold dyes, animals, tents, etc. in the day with the Christian principles they learned at the secret, small, and silent housechurch at night. They did not have a choice of umpteen different bible versions geared for every socio-demographic group. They heard the scriptures and memorized them. They didn’t have a minstrel playing their favorite worship song three times a day hoping that they will sing it at the next bretheren meeting. They didn’t care about Gog and Magog being the modern day USSR, Finding Caesar in Bible Prophecy, or decoding John 3:29 for the new revelation. They didn’t send in money to get their personal prayer prosperity hankie, miracle manna, or their blessing on Yom Kippur. They didn’t have their parachurch ministry entitled “Fill in the blank” For Jesus…… It was “Everyone Sees Jesus by the Lifestyle I Live”

They learned to live in culture, not fight and reconstruct it. They didn’t throw money towards how to discover their purpose driven life. They lived their life guided to fulfill His calling. They overcame their trials and temptations because Jesus was the author and finisher of their faith, not a personal ideology made corporate theology to become their apostolic Joel’s Army manned by Joshua’s Generation and Ezra’s Templebuilders defeating the demon of gambling on eight avenue. They saw, felt, and lived a life experiencing the sovereign and providential move of God in the midst of an oppressive government and we cry ‘foul’ when a democrat becomes the register of deeds. They didn’t have Christian lawyers design a sermon to preach on “Pulpit Freedom Sunday”. They preached the Word and not the government. The church was the church and the state was the state.

We made Christianity complex while calling it ‘next-level, cutting edge, fresh revelation’. We looked for a sign when the Scriptures give us clear directions. We cry out for ‘revival’, experienced a crock of deception called Lakeland, while the early church experienced ‘vival’ (life) and saw souls saved and added, and fellow brothers persecuted freed from prison while some were martyred and their faith became sight. The early church saw true miracles via the laying on of hands while we saw a pro-wrestler wanna be, snake-oil salesman named Todd “Bam-Bam-Bam” Bentley performed false signs when he kneed the stage four metastatic colon cancer patient. The early church casted off evil spirits instantly but we spend years fighting the territorial spirit of gang murder on main street from our sanctuary located in the megachurch on Apostle Paul Drive while crime goes up, drugs are rampant, and food and gas is going up with people become homeless blaming it on God hating them. We are dumbfounded when we lack the discernment and can no longer tell the difference between a pastor and a pimp, a church and a corporation, a sermon from a pep talk, and a worship service from an old episode of Solid Gold (and the Solid Gold dancers danced better in my personal opinion).

We have our coffee ‘bar’…. We have our relevant sermons…. We have our modern music…. We have our entertainment centers and babysitters…. We have our cool hypnotic special effects in the background of the worship song lyrics projected on the projection screen…..

However, I have to ask the hard question…

Do we have Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit at work in our life?

The air conditioner, the computer, and the iPod did not cause the quagmire of a mess we call ‘church’. We caused it when we decided that consultants, ANALysts, salesmen, (I meant it the way I spelled it), psychiatrists, and sociologists could call themselves pastors, teachers, apostles, evangelists, and prophets because we thought they had a ‘new and improved’ way of doing Jesus and the church and we allowed them the freedom to self-title themselves and self-appoint their own authority schemes. Marketing replaced ministry. Holistics replaced healing. Mission statements replaced missions. Trends replaced Trinity.

We are desperate. Our christian cliches, our Christian softball leagues, “God’s President named W”, our Christian music, Mel Gibson’s Passion movie, and the Promise Keepers didn’t change society. Why? Because society was never designed to be changed to begin with. We were supposed to change and be conformed and transformed by the renewing of our minds. The battle was never supposed to be ‘us versus them’ and / or ‘them versus us’. It is the Holy Spirit within us versus the flesh that constitutes us fighting to destroy us.

The battle all along is really “Us versus Us”

Not us against culture. Not God against the democratic party. Not the Holy Spirit against the state education lottery. But us against us and the choice to fight and not ‘us versus them’ and / or ‘them versus us’ with the choice of flight back to our bunker called church with it’s coffee bar, Christian resource library, entertainment concerts, and gymnasium where we play “BaptistBall” where a slam dunk is a technical foul (pride).

We are supposed to fight the fight and finish the race, not pick the fight and rewrite the rules to the marathon. Culture will always be around us. It was here before i was thought about, around me now, and will still be here hundreds of years after I die. Do you think that after thousands of years if the culture didn’t change, that it is somehow going to instantly change if we ‘humble ourselves’, vote Republican, defeat the drug demon on First Street, and put some more money in the offering plate?

Remember, in closing, that in the Bible, the change we saw eventually became ‘the same’ as the ’stagnation’ that was deemed to be eliminated. It wasn’t society that changed. It was men and women of God who did. If society really changed permanently for the better, then why did Israel repeat a vicious cycle of repenting to only sin again years later to repeat the cycle but we do not see this pattern mandated in the New Testament? We do not need to change culture nor war against it. We need to change by crucifying this flesh daily and take up our cross to war against our filthy rotten stinking flesh.

That is the only change we are expected to see manifest.

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The Cultural Hyprocricy

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Third-Rave Bible School Name Generator

unbelievable

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Prophesy To The Gas Pump

WARNING: This is some of the most bizarre and head-splitting videos I have ever seen. In one realm of thought, I really do not want to show this junk but there is a part of me that states that people need to see some of this just to know what is ‘out there’ masquerading itself as Christianity.

This stuff is supposed to be a ‘Christian’ form of worship that Patricia King and Caleb Brundidge call “Ekstasis Worship.” Brundidge is heavily affiliated with Patricia King’s Extreme Prophetic Group being recognized by King as being one of her itinerant ministers. Brundidge is defined as being ‘a traveling “prophetic” D.J.’ that calls his show “Club Mysterio.” employing repetitive “rave” or “trance” techno-style music that assists in sensual motions that is defined by Mr. Brundidge as ‘praise’.

Below is Extreme Prophetic’s own video and listen to Mr. Brundidge describe this ‘praise’:

This stuff is getting more and more ‘demonic’ and more disgusting. Are these people really ‘worshipping’, or are they so ‘tranced out’ that they are partaking of doctrines of devils. Their own video mentions:

…just release yourself into abandoned worship with God, going into the ecstasy of God.

When we’re making decrees and we’re praising God, the music and you’re jumping, and you’re dancing and you’re moving around, the words that we’re speaking becomes one at a cellular level in your body. An’ its not like you’re learning it, it becomes part of who you are.”

“Ekstasis worship, even in our prayer and in our movement, it’s about dancing..feeling it in your body, giving your body to God as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable. Begin to whirl and twirl.. things begin to happen..”

Don’t be Berean, just become mindless and just do. And this is from the woman who Todd Bentley of the Lakeland Revival fame considers to be his mentor….

Jesus help us!!!

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